BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING MINUTES
19 JUNE 2007
7:00 P.M.
I. CALL MEETING TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7:02 p.m. by Chairman David Okum.
II. ROLL CALL
Members Present: Robert Weidlich, Bill Reichert, Jim Squires, Jane
Huber, Marge Harlow, Robert Emerson
And Chairman Okum
Others Present: Randy Campion, Inspection Supervisor
III. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
IV. MINUTES OF REGULAR MEETING OF 15 MAY 2007
Mr. Squires moved to adopt and Mrs. Huber seconded the motion. All voted aye, and the
minutes were adopted unanimously.
V. CORRESPONDENCE
A. Zoning Bulletin April 15, 2007
B. Zoning Bulletin May 1, 2007
C. Zoning Bulletin May 15, 2007
D. Planning Commission Meeting Minutes May 8, 2007
VI. REPORTS
A. Report on Council
Mr. Squires reported that tomorrow evening Council will consider an ordinance amending
Zoning Code violations and penalties from Minor Misdemeanor (which can be paid out) to 4th
Degree Misdemeanor requiring a court appearance. Mrs. Harlow added it will give our
Building Department some teeth to enforce the Code.
B. Report on Planning Commission
Mr. Okum reported on the June 12th Planning Commission Meting.
Planning approved an outdoor patio area for smokers for Bargos . Also approved was
the change to the Tri-County Mall building (former JC Penney) for Ethan Allen.
VII. CHAIRMANS STATEMENT AND SWEARING IN OF APPICANTS
VIII. OLD BUSINESS
IX. NEW BUSINESS
A. Approval of Variance to allow the construction of a 10 x 14 (140 s.f.)
utility building at 1271 East Crescentville Road. Said variance is requested from Section
153.492(B) shall not exceed 120 s.f. in area. Owner not present placed
at end of agenda
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B. Approval of variance to allow the construction of a fence in the front yard at 640
Smiley Avenue (Corner lot). Said variance is requested from Section 153.482(A) (3)
Fences on corner lots shall not be located in the required setback for the building
from the side street line.
Mr. and Mr. Shanley approached the board. Mrs. Shandley said we would attach our fence
next to the existing one behind us to make a square corner and protect our outdoor spigot
that is accessible to anybody who walks down the side street. The spigot has been turned
on and left on without our knowledge and flooded our basement. You have photos to show the
existing back fence and where we would like to go with it, halfway up the side of the
house.
Mr. Campion reported that the applicant is requesting to erect a fence within the side
street setback on a corner lot. The side street setback is 35 (approximately
45 from the street curb).
The existing residence and fence are legal non-conforming. They were constructed prior to
the Zoning Code requirements for the setbacks. Whenever a non-conforming use is removed or
discontinued, any new construction must comply with todays code.
The applicant is requesting to erect a 6 vinyl privacy fence in the present
non-conforming location on the west side and further encroach approximately 22 along
the west side of the residence. It appears that the applicant is requesting a 20
setback from the Harmony Avenue right of way.
Mr. Okum opened the public hearing.
Linda Edrington, 639 Cloverdale Avenue said I have the fence this backs up to. It does not
encroach the view of Harmony and turning radius and security. They have animals in their
back yard and we have a lot of dog walkers in our neighborhood, and this would help keep
their dogs in. I think the fence is a great idea and completely support this.
No one else came forward and Mr. Okum closed the public hearing.
Mrs. Harlow moved to approve the variance for a fence set back approximately 35 feet from
the street. Mr. Squires seconded the motion.
Mr. Okum said I need specifics on how far the fence will project from your home towards
Harmony. Mr. Shanley answered approximately 11 feet. Mr. Okum asked the distance from the
rear corner to the fence and Mr. Shanley answered about 15 to 17 feet. Mr. Okum said based
on the 11 feet, how far from the curb, and Mrs. Shanley said approximately 22 feet.
Mr. Squires asked about the existing chain link fence, and Mrs. Shanley answered it will
come down.
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FENCE IN FRONT YARD AT 640 SMILEY AVENUE
Mrs. Harlow asked if the only reason they want to bring the fence up so far is because of
the spigot. Mr. Shanley answered yes, the basement has been flooded three times. Mrs.
.Harlow said wouldnt it be cheaper to move the plumbing in the basement?
Mrs. Shanley answered it is not a full basement so we would have to have someone come in
to run more plumbing. We can do the fence ourselves.
Mrs. Huber said the pictures indicate that the existing fence is in bad repair. Mrs.
Shanley answered it will be removed. I would like to get the variance to protect the water
spigot, but either way, we will be putting up a fence.
Mr. Okum said so we are talking about a fence going from the rear corner to the second
chimney along Harmony Avenue. Any change to the fence would need a variance.
Addressing the applicant, Mrs. Huber asked if they got the variance would the fence be
done by a professional. Mrs. Shanley answered no, we have the materials and will do it. Y
husband is a licensed carpenter and he will supervise the work. Our sons here to
help.
Mr. Okum said I cannot see a reason of practical difficulty except that the home is two
feet closer to the street than the 35 feet required, so would support a two-foot variance
for the fence from Harmony Avenue. I also think Mrs. Harlows suggestion to change
the plumbing is valid.
Mr. Okum said the house is two feet closer to the street than what is required, so it
would be natural interpretation to allow the two-foot variance to go to the corner of the
house.
Mr. Campion added the side street setback is 35 feet and the house is set at 32 feet.
Mr. Reichert said it appears that the fence of the owner behind them comes closer to
Harmony than the 32 or 33 foot setback. It is a relatively new fence, so if you should go
with the back of the corner of the house, you will have 11 feet of the back fence setting
out towards Harmony
Mr. Shanley said if you look at the zoning for the fences, there is nothing that says your
back fence having to be a certain distance from the right of way.
Mrs. Edrington said the fence was approved when we put it in and after that the variance
request was made. You decided we needed a variance, so we will be back next month to
discuss it. When we got the permit, the fence was approved along with our outbuilding and
deck, and now they are saying we made a mistake and it should not have been approved.
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FENCE IN FRONT YARD AT 640 SMILEY AVENUE
Mr. Okum said this is a practical irregularity. The problem is finalizing a decision when
we have the situation on an adjacent property. Personally I would like to make the
decision next month when we hear the appeal and allow more input.
Addressing the applicant, Mr. Okum asked if they minded tabling this to next month. Mrs.
Shanley indicated that they did not mind it.
Mr. Squires moved to table and Mr. Reichert seconded the motion. All voted aye and the
item was tabled to the July 17th meeting.
C. Approval of variance to allow the construction of a 132 s.f. utility building on the
property at 171 Ruskin Drive. Said variance is requested from Section 153.492(B)
shall not exceed 120 s.f. in area.)
Linda Kiser owner of 171 Ruskin Drive said the shed is five feet over what we are allowed
to have. You can get smaller sheds, but it would be less than 120 s.f., and I want to
maximize my storage. Right now I have to park my car in the street because of my lack of
storage.
Mr. Campion reported that the applicant is requesting to construct a 132 s.f. vinyl
utility building. Section 153.492(B) limits the maximum area of accessory buildings to 120
s.f. The applicant has not indicated any unusual characteristics about the property which
makes the variance necessary.
Mr. Okum opened the public hearing. No one came forward, and he closed it.
Mr. Squires moved to grant the variance for a 132 s.f. vinyl utility building and Mr.
Reichert seconded the motion.
Mr. Squires said there seems to be accessory buildings already there. If this variance is
granted, you will have to remove those. Ms. Kiser indicated that she would.
Mr. Okum said based on what I have heard, I will support the variance with the condition
that there will be one shed only on the property.
On the motion to grant the variance, all voted aye and the variance was granted with seven
affirmative votes.
D. Approval of variance to allow two utility buildings on the property at 11850 Glenfalls
Court. Said variance is requested from Section 153.492(B) (1) There shall be no more
than one detached accessory building
Mr. Okum reported that the applicant has requested that this be tabled to the next
meeting. The Board moved to table it to the July meeting. All voted aye, and the variance
will be considered on July 17th.
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E. Approval of variance to allow the construction of a 116 wrought iron fence in
front yard at 507 Dimmick Avenue. Said variance is requested from Section 153.482(A) (1)
No fence..shall project past the front building line..
William Cassedy said the variance is more for the placement of an ornamental landscape
feature. It is less of a fence than an ornamental landscaping feature.
Mr. Cassedy added it enhances the existing landscaping, and is a feature in the front of
the property. I am a very big fan of Thomas Kinkade, and the landscaping of this property
will be such that I could ask Mr. Kinkade to paint the house and property.
Mr. Campion reported that the request is to erect approximately 20 feet of fences in the
front yard. Section153.482 (A) (1) does not permit a fence to project past the front
building line. The applicant has not demonstrated that there are unusual characteristics
about his property which warrant the variance,
Should the board determine that a variance is warranted, the fence will need to be set
back a minimum of 11 feet from the street curb so that it will not be located in the
public right of way.
Mr. Squires moved to grant the variance for a 16 foot wrought iron fence a minimum of 11
feet from the street curb. Mrs. Huber seconded the motion.
Mr. Emerson asked the height of the fence and Mr. Cassedy answered 36 inches raised three
inches off the ground. The posts would be four feet high.
Mrs. Huber asked if they owned the adjoining lot. Mr. Cassedy answered we have a two-lot
property, and the decorative fence will only be on the lot where the house is.
Mr. Okum commented creatively you are right stating that it is an architectural feature
and not a fence, but the code is very specific in its definition of fences.
Mr. Cassedy said it is not intended to keep anybody out. We will be putting a sign on the
front saying Meanderers Welcome.
Mr. Okum said we have had architectural features and landscape decorations brought before
this board and it is tough to deal with because the code calls it a fence. Mrs. Huber
commented a fence encloses.
Mr. Okum responded this is called a fence, and we would be allowing this type of element
put in on anybodys property
Mrs. Harlow said we are talking about an 11 foot setback and on the drawings you have a
seven-foot setback and then a six-foot setback. Mr. Cassedy responded that is the distance
from the telephone pole to the street. Mr. Okum said that means that the garden is in the
public right of way. The telephone pole has property on each side.
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WROUGHT IRON FENCE IN FRONT YARD AT 507 DIMMICK AVENUE
Mr. Okum said this is very difficult for me. I like the architectural accent and the
landscaping done nicely. In that case I would be very much in favor of supporting this
variance, but if we are to lok at any of the requirements and setbacks there is nothing
that allows that setback variance.
There is no practical difficultly, and that is my problem. I think it is a neat idea, and
hopefully the powers that be will come up with a decision to change the code to allow some
of the architectural elements. Council members could bring that adaptation to the code to
allow some of these ornamental features. However, I would be afraid of establishing that
precedent in this case.
Mrs. Harlow said I am in the same boat. I think this is beautiful, and I would like to see
this. I like its uniqueness, but at the same time we would get hammered because it is a
fence, and we have denied other applicants who have wanted fences in their front yards. I
am impressed with what you have done and I would hope the code could be changed to include
ornamental work.
Mr. Okum said the sheds and fences are the two items this board has identified to be
reviewed and some action be taken.
Mrs. Harlow said I would like to see us move this forward and get something done to get
relief on this. Mr Okum said I will pass this on to Planning Commission at the next
meeting.
Mr. Cassedy said there is a gentleman here who would like to speak on my behalf.
Mr. Okum opened the public hearing.
Ken Zinneger, 497 Dimmick Avenue said I have known Bill for several years, and I have seen
what he has done in our neighborhood to his yard. Bill is an artisan. Everything he does
is carefully planned tastefully designed and beautifully completed. This is going to be a
showpiece, and I wanted to come in and let the board know that.
Addressing the applicant, Mr. Okum said I guess you understand I will be voting against
this request because of the definition of fences in our code. It is not that I want to
keep you from being able to continue with your dream. Time can bring about change, and
change comes about by people like you making applications and residents commenting in
support of the request.
I will vote against it, but I will also carry a strong motion forward to Planning
Commission to address the architectural features to properties and get the definition of
fence clarified so that a project like this can be accomplished.
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WROUGHT IRON FENCE IN FRONT YARD AT 507 DIMMICK AVENUE
Mr. Cassedy asked if it would be better to table this until July, and Mr. Okum answered
no, because the law director has indicated that you could come back every month if you
wished. There is no statute of limitations on these applications. Our action only states
that at this point and at this time this board has rendered a decision.
Mrs. Harlow added I truly feel that this is definitely a distinction between a decorative
fence and a fence that would be a containment fence. I would like to see this move forward
to Planning and Council so you can proceed with this project. Unfortunately I have to vote
no because of the way our ordinances are written. Otherwise I would be supporting this
100%.
Mr. Reichert said I welcome you bringing this to us; that is how change comes about. It is
very nice.
On the motion to grant the variance, Mr. Squires, Mr. Emerson, Mr. Reichert, Mr. Weidlich,
Chairman Okum and Mrs. Harlow voted no. Mrs. Huber voted yes, and the variance was denied
by six negative votes.
F. Approval of variance to allow the construction of 77 feet of an 8 high wood
privacy fence on the property at 11684 Neuss Avenue. Said variance is requested from
Section 153.482(B) .shall not exceed six feet in height.
Donna Mahan the owner of 11684 Neuss Avenue said that there are parts of the fence that
will be six feet high where our land is level. If you go to the end there is a 14 inch
drop so we would need the eight-foot variance (approximately 24 feet).
Mr. Campion reported that the fence is approximately 76 feet along the rear property line.
The maximum fence height allowed is six feet, and the applicant has indicated that the
purpose of the extra height is to screen the view of her neighbors property while
overcoming a fall in grade from her residence down to the adjacent residence.
It appears that the residence behind the subject property, 141 Harter Avenue is
approximately five feet lower than this residence. The rear property line appears to be
approximately .four feet lower than the subjects residence, and it is not clear what
the applicant is attempting to screen.
Mr. Okum said there are two cross sections that were provided by the applicant.
Mr. Okum opened the public hearing. No one came forward and he closed the public hearing.
Mr. Weidlich moved to approve the variance for 77 feet of an 8-foot high fence to go
across the back of the property at 11684 Neuss Avenue. Mr. Reichert seconded the motion.
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CONSTRUCTION OF 77 FEET OF 8 HIGH FENCE AT 11684 NEUSS AVENUE
Mr. Reichert said at the level part of your yard, you will make the fence six feet high.
Should we say not to exceed eight feet, since you only want to make it eight feet where
the land drops down?
Mr. Okum said I understand what you are saying, and I think what the applicant is showing
that the top of the fence will be at six feet horizontally. It stays pretty flat all the
way across the back where the fence is going. The applicant has indicated that the fence
needs to be up to 77 feet long at eight feet high. Mr. Weidlich commented the last 24 feet
would be around eight feet high.
Ms. Mahan said the high ground is very level. Mills Fencing came out and measured it, and
there is between a 15 and 16 inch drop in the area.
Mr. Campion commented from the street it will appear to be a six foot fence because you
wont see where the grade falls off in the back yard. Mr. Okum responded I am
thinking more of the Harter side, but there is large vegetation that wont let you
see very much of that.
Mr. Emerson asked if the eight foot section was at the end of the fence. Ms. Mahan
confirmed that it is. We have a picket fence that this fence will meet up with it, but not
touch it. Where the six-foot fence starts will meet up with our neighbors fence.
Mr. Okum said for the record, all neighbors within 200 feet of this property were informed
of this public hearing and invited to come if they had any concerns.
Mr. Okum said staff has recommended that the motion should be that at the right corner
near 120 Harter the fence shall be approximately eight feet high, and for 20-some feet we
reduce it down to the six-foot height average. Mrs. Harlow so moved and Mr. Emerson
seconded the motion. On the motion to amend, all voted aye.
Mr. Okum said so the motion is for 24 feet at eight feet and the rest will be six feet
high. On the amended motion, all voted aye, and the variance was granted with seven
affirmative votes.
G. Approval of variance to allow the construction of a 10 x 16 utility
building (160 s.f.) on the property at 672 Cloverdale Avenue. Said variance is requested
from Section 153.492(B) shall not exceed 120 s.f. in area.
Jim Skirvin owner of 672 Cloverdale Avenue passed around a picture of a 1953 Wizard motor
bike replica, which is one of the items he needs to put in this shed. I have lots to put
in it, a motor home and a large hitch which is very heavy. Our property runs downhill and
every time I use it I have to haul it out and carry it up, plus chairs, grandkids
bicycles, etc. I really need it.
The shed would be in the back of our property where there are no adjoining buildings.
There is only a woods behind us
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CONSTRUCTION OF 10 X 16 UTILITY BULDING 672 CLOVERDALE AVE.
Mr. Campion reported that the applicant has not demonstrated how there are unusual
circumstances regarding the property that makes it necessary to construct the shed. A
variance was granted by the Board of Zoning Appeals in 1999 to allow a 38 foot long
recreational vehicle to be parked/stored on the property.
Mr. Skirvin added I own two pieces of property. It may be possible to build two sheds if I
build them the standard size, but I really dont want to do that. Id rather
build one shed.
Mr. Okum asked if code permitted a shed to be built on a vacant property, and Mr. Campion
stated that a house would need to be on the property to build a shed.
Mr. Okum opened the public hearing.
Linda Edrington, 639 Cloverdale Avenue said I live on Cloverdale and you cannot see their
mobile home from the street or where they would put the shed. The only thing you can see
from the street is their landscaping and front porch and driveway.
Ms. Edrington said nothing is visible from the street that would be an eyesore for the
community, because everything is very wooded. All of their property is wooded with a very
natural landscaping. What they are requesting would not be an issue.
Mr. Okum closed the public hearing.
Mr. Squires moved to grant the variance and Mr. Weidlich seconded the motion.
Mr. Weidlich asked if the vegetation would stay where you will put the shed. Mr. Skirvin
answered I am clearing out an area back there, some small trees and a wood pile, but there
will still be trees.
Mr. Weidlich said so if you get this variance, will you be able to park your vehicles in
your garage? Mr. Skirvin answered that he would be able to.
Mr. Okum said basically we have an oversize lot (two parcels) with a home and attached
garage and he wants to build a 12 x 16 storage building. Ms. Harlow said so
the 12 x 16 building falls within the ratio of the lot size that we discussed
at the last meeting.
Mr. Okum said based on the information I have heard, and the fact that the property owner
has a significantly large lot, I will be supporting a 12 x 16 accessory
storage building.
On the motion to approve, all voted aye, and the variance was granted with seven
affirmative votes.
Mr. Okum said we will go back to Item A.
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A. Approval of Variance to allow the construction of a 10 x 14 (140 s.f.)
utility building at 1271 East Crescentville Road. Said variance is requested from Section
153.492(B) shall not exceed 120 s.f. in area.
Gwendolyn Carlisle owner of the property said I got a permit and Lowes built the
shed. When it was inspected, it was too large and I was told I had to get a variance. I
have a small house with no basement and this is where I store my lawn furniture and
equipment and bikes. I really need the storage, and it is in the corner of the yard, five
feet from the property line and there is still a lot of space. I dont know anything
about measurements.
Mr. Okum said so you got a building permit for a shed, bought the shed and they
constructed it and it was bigger than you thought it would be.
Mr. Campion reported that the applicant is requesting to keep a 10 x 16 (160
s.f.) shed. A permit was issued on 6/2/2006 to construct an 8 x 10 utility
building. When a recent inspection was conducted, the utility building was found to be
10 x 16 or 160 s.f. The discrepancy is size and must be resolved. The
applicant has not indicated any unusual circumstances about her property which makes a
variance necessary. The applicant had indicated that she has an unusually large lot. The
property area is 7440 s.f. The rear yard is 35 deep by 62 wide.
Mr. Okum opened the public hearing. No one came forward, and he closed the public hearing.
Mr. Reichert moved to approve the variance to allow the 10 x 16 utility
building. Mrs. Harlow seconded the motion.
Mr. Emerson asked how long ago the shed was constructed, and Ms. Carlisle said about a
year.
Mr. Okum said this is very difficult. We have two alternatives, grant the variance or make
the applicant tear it down. Based on that, although I think it is a little too large,
its still not too far out of balance, and I will support this.
Mr. Campion reported that the Zoning Code says that detached accessory buildings
cant exceed 18% of the rear yard
Mr. Reichert said the shed is 160 s.f. and if we use the formula with that size lot it is
.021, which isnt that much out of line.
On the motion to grant the variance for a 10 x 16 shed, all voted aye and the
variance was granted unanimously.
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X. DISCUSSION
Mr. Okum said I do not want to discuss the percentages tonight. At the last Planning
Commission meeting, I sent a letter from the BZA to Planning requesting a change to the
Zoning Code regarding requirements about passing variances. They have referred it to the
law directors office, and it was presented to me that they might not agree with
this. There are five tests presently, and we left one of them off. The City Planner
reported that some municipalities are using all five exactly. Then you might as well not
have a Board of Zoning Appeals and have an administrator who uses the five questions. Then
the Board of Zoning Appeals could hear an appeal.
XI. ADJOURNMENT
Mrs. Harlow said she would not be at the July meeting.
Mr. Squires moved to adjourn and by voice vote, all voted aye and the Board of Zoning
Appeals adjourned at 9:25 p.m.
Respectfully
submitted,
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David
L. Okum, Chairman
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Jane
Huber, Secretary